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DJ Spooky -
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Subliminal Kid
Interview : Claire Bastin / Smart Monkey
DJ Spooky is the worlds leading exponent of the art of turntabilism; he is also a multi-talented creative visionary and a respected academic. Here's what went down when Free Radical Sound undercover agents Claire and Smart Monkey caught up with him, on the night that he headlined the ICA's Cybersonica festival.
FRS; Describe what you played tonight?
I played a lot of original material, dub plates and dub versions of various tracks and breaks mixed with lots of electric sounds from the laptop. So, I had the vocals stripped away and I would mix in another bass line.FRS; Did you decide what was in tonight's set in advance and do you improvise?
Sure definitely, there are certain parts that were very specific to the film I showed. I do both, like I mixed Kraftwerk with jazz, that I made up on the spot. I thought it was fun and kinda cool.FRS; You play a lot at clubs and festivals all around the world and also do these formal art house gigs. Do you prefer either sort of gig and how do you vary your approach?
It's both; they are both all good. If I'm in an arena like I was tonight and I play a full on four to the floor mix, it just doesn't work. I have done it! I like pushing it. It's just very unfocused. Tonight the focus was primarily on the whole sense of the division material and what it was saying. People could see me and just what I was doing, so they can put it together in their minds.FRS; Is the way you had the decks and sampler set this evening how it is when you create and record your music?
No, I make my music by playing around with it a lot! It's like I play a sample and then think about that sample as a fragment and then with different fragments I think of how to take it all apart again. I play upright bass and I do all the scratching. I like the idea of hip hop and break beat culture as something that doesn't just have to be knucklehead type stuff. You can actually have rhythm science and rhythm thinking. I like Adrian Sherwood; he's done some cool stuff, Scientists, Mad Professor. All these people are kind of bugged out, like science fiction.
FRS; How do you think being a turntabilist is related to being a musician?
I always talk about jazz, as it is always another form of improvisation. That means it is an evolution of what's art and what is going on. This whole one-man band type of idea is getting more and more intense, especially with the software available now.FRS; In one of the movies played during your set the image of the World Trade Centre collapsing is repeated. How do you feel about what is happening in New York?
It's one of the more bizarre moments in contemporary history! Strange patterns have developed. The psychology of the city has changed. I reflect New York in my work. It's like a mirror that I hold up. On Songs of a Dead Dreamer I was experimenting with some alternative sonic environments within New York and the kinds of stress that tends to go with the geometric city. There are too many people living with too much on their minds in a strange electronic culture now. With the films I think of it as a sort of chess game of images that can go back and forth. Now I am thinking about how people manipulate the media as if it is a game. Since 9 - 11 any song with progressive lyrics has been banned. All main stream radio stations received federally authorised instructions of what to play. But most basically had that before! Eminem is a perfect example; he is not political in the sense of saying what is going on? But he is cultural in that he talks about a lot of the more twisted parts of America. So you can do one but not the other. It seems if you are political you are banned and if you say that everything is fucked up and fuck you, it's undirected anger and that will go through the system. The ruling structure is now so dubious that people are feeling a loss of faith.FRS; You have worked on and written for many music, digital culture and art magazines. Has your media background helped you to promote yourself ?
One thing I did find was that there were critics who were getting bitter about me getting exposure. A lot of them wanted to do music. So, in fact it was almost negative. It's all tactics in media. I had to bypass a lot of that. In the US it is an older generation that control the media, which is why it is so lame! The thing with critics is they want to feel they simply control the narrative and that this is how things should be. And, well wow I don't feel like doing that! As an artist you can not let that stuff get in the way.
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FRS; Tell us about Modern Mantra your latest mix album that only uses music from Shadow Records?
The reason I call it Modern Mantra is that it is all about when you hear a repetition and your mind clears, but with hip hop and drum an bass and other stuff. Shadow Records was one of the early independent labels that dealt with experimental indie, hip-hop, rock an roll and all sorts. I listened to things like early Sonic Youth and mixed it in with ambient and dub. When I was first coming up I was into hip-hop and how people would make up their own rhymes to the beat. The words guided your experience but all the beats were left with left with no voices so people could think about it. Here I am balancing that by going back to early experimental vocal hip-hop. On Modern Mantra we have Liz Fraser from the Coctaeu Twins. She sings in her own language. I love this stuff because it is as if it's perfect for these strange times.
FRS; Is there any advice you can give to those who aspire to creative innovative music?
Always do your own thing and definitely think about different ways of doing what you are doing, rather then ever trying to fit into what other people do.
Claire Bastin / Smart Monkey
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